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	<title>Pronatalists of the world unite! &#187; Polygamy</title>
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		<title>Elin Nordegren on Tiger Woods: The Last to Know about Affairs</title>
		<link>http://www.pronatal.org/2010/08/25/elin-nordegren-on-tiger-woods-the-last-to-know-about-affairs/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is what happens when you miseducate people about the reality of so called monogamous marriage and human sexuality. Monogamy does not exist in the minds of 99% of the male population. Human males are wont to spread their seeds &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2010/08/25/elin-nordegren-on-tiger-woods-the-last-to-know-about-affairs/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what happens when you miseducate people about the reality of so called monogamous marriage and human sexuality.  Monogamy does not exist in the minds of 99% of the male population.  Human males are wont to spread their seeds and no amount of religious brainwashing or civilization will change that!  Hey Elin, didn&#8217;t your dad teach you this when you were younger?<span id="more-342"></span></p>
<p>Come on, you married THE CHAMP.  Spreading seeds is what champions do!  There is the reproductive rush in winning competitions and all that money.  Champs bedding lots of women is expected, it is the norm.  Welcome to human life 101.  </p>
<p>Divorce settlement for Elin?  Not bad, hundreds of millions of dollars. That&#8217;s great.  But wouldn&#8217;t it have been better if you and Tiger knew this tiny bit of information about human nature earlier?  Did you know you could have still lived a happy life with Tiger even if he had playthings?  You could have been the woman he truly loved, the woman to come home to, even if he spreads his seeds every now and then.  This is what champs do!</p>
<p>What is unacceptable is this much media outcry to castrate a champ like Tiger Woods.  In-human.  Life doesn&#8217;t work that way.  Monogamous marriage in the USA will come tumbling down with easy divorce clauses such as these.  It is idiotic.  Let the human race sort itself out to something more lasting and more solid.</p>
<p>In my country, moneyed men will play but have a budget for it.  It is poor form for them to leave their wives.  Some have multiple wives, an instituted polygamy whether formal or informal, but that is how things work.  And it has worked for several hundred years. Polygamy is outright legal and instituted for Muslims.  While there is no law against having multiple unmarried girl friends with many children each.</p>
<p>The Elen Nordegren &#8211; Tiger Woods divorce just highlights the USA wrong system of easy divorce and serial marriages.  Plain idiocy.  No one should bother getting married in the USA, it&#8217;s just a piece of paper enslaving men for unreasonable demands they get absolutely no benefit from.  </p>
<p>Keep your american junk system out of the Philippnes.  Gabriela anti-women / anti-family group stay out of the Philippines, go and migrate to the USA and be miserable like Elen Nordegren &#8211; miserable with so much money.</p>
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		<title>Happy Christian Polygamy Video &#8211; 22 kids! Awesome!</title>
		<link>http://www.pronatal.org/2009/10/23/happy-christian-polygamy-video-22-kids-awesome/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, these people are living their dreams. They are beautiful, healthy and wealthy enough to bear and raise 22 kids total. I bow to your technique. We can learn a lot from these awesome people. Youtube video description: Christian polygamy &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2009/10/23/happy-christian-polygamy-video-22-kids-awesome/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, these people are living their dreams.  They are beautiful, healthy and wealthy enough to bear and raise 22 kids total.  I bow to your technique.  We can learn a lot from these awesome people.<span id="more-307"></span></p>
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<p>Youtube video description: Christian polygamy works. Two wives, plural marriage, or polygamy, is not abuse or manipulation of women, but is a perfectly normal AND happy way of life for many people in today&#8217;s society. CHRISTIAN POLYGAMY PAMPHLET: http://www.box.net/shared/eq5qjxm12n</p>
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		<title>Chavit Singson &#8211; Che Tiongson &#8211; Richard Catral and the Primal fight of Selfish Genes</title>
		<link>http://www.pronatal.org/2009/09/06/chavit-singson-che-tiongson-richard-catral-and-the-primal-fight-of-selfish-genes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latest celebrity scandal on the news these days is Philippine Security Adviser Chavit Singson 68 (many wives, many children) with one of his common law wives Che Tiongson 37 (bore 5 alleged children with Chavit) and her new boyfriend &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2009/09/06/chavit-singson-che-tiongson-richard-catral-and-the-primal-fight-of-selfish-genes/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest celebrity scandal on the news these days is Philippine Security Adviser Chavit Singson 68 (many wives, many children) with one of his common law wives Che Tiongson 37 (bore 5 alleged children with Chavit) and her new boyfriend Richard Catral 38 (married with 2 kids).  Since this is a ProNatal website we dissect and analyze according to primal human reproductive instincts.<span id="more-287"></span></p>
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<p>Chavit is a well known rich and powerful patriarch, a pronatal patriarch with alleged several wives and many children.  He is rumored to have a new wife every few years and move on and on.  Chavit loves children and wants children.  Chavit wants custody of his 5 children with Che, patriarchs are interested more in children than just sex.  Sex is merely a tool to make children.  Chavit was noted in saying in a private family party to his descendants to make and make babies&#8230; because we have lots of money.  Isn&#8217;t that so nice?</p>
<p>If you are any intelligent male with any sanity left in you, you do not go out of your way provoking Chavit&#8217;s anger by attempting to inseminate any female in his alleged harem.  As in primal human nature, the big bull will protect his genetic interests and will do whatever it takes to ward off foolish males from trying to reproduce with any of his alleged harem.  Any patriarch invests and spends on his harem for his exclusive insemination to propagate his own genes.</p>
<p>Chavit stood up to the President of the Philippines Erap Estrada (on a different issue) and won that battle&#8230; do you think any lesser man like this foolish Richard Catral can stand a chance?</p>
<p>My analysis of Richard Catral is that he saw a beautiful woman and with his own good looks saw an opportunity to reproduce by attempting to inseminate Che.  This is it, a sperm wars classic.  Previous to the alleged beating of Che, she was inseminated by Chavit just the same.  The sperm battle is on.  Who will win out?  Only a DNA test in the future will reveal the sperm wars winner.</p>
<p>The wild card is, is Che on birth control?  Birth control technologies muddle the whole primal instincts scenario.</p>
<p>What is happening is a very easy, very classic case of genetic interests.  Maybe Che merely needed a rest from birthing.  When she got her rest from birthing&#8230; she is ready to be impregnated again, thus accepting new inseminators.</p>
<p>All those muddling the issue of primal human genetic interests is due to civilization, technology, political ideologies and twisted inhuman laws.</p>
<p>I would like to see a surprise pause to all this much publicized scandal with the announcement of a pregnancy.  Then I want a Maury Show type genetic dna paternity test drama to show WHO IS THE FATHER.</p>
<p>The Human Primal instinct for genetic propagation is alive and well.  Everyone wants to reproduce.  Lots of inseminating happening&#8230; Look at this issue and just laugh at the rest of the side issues like human twisted written laws.</p>
<p>I think Richard Catral is the true victim here.  My guess is Che did not tell him she belonged to the harem of Chavit Singson.  Any guy in his right mind would stay away from Chavit&#8217;s women.</p>
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		<title>Contraception harms people, society and civilization</title>
		<link>http://www.pronatal.org/2008/04/04/contraception-harms-people-society-and-civilization/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The natural scheme of things is that males and females are attracted to one another. They have sexual intercourse, females become pregnant. Children are born. Children are raised to become adults life goes on. In the natural scheme of things, &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2008/04/04/contraception-harms-people-society-and-civilization/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The natural scheme of things is that males and females are attracted to one another.  They have sexual intercourse, females become pregnant.  Children are born.  Children are raised to become adults life goes on.</p>
<p>In the natural scheme of things, healthy men are sexually active when called upon for action.  Women have a cycle where they are interested in sex when the time is &#8220;right&#8221;.  That right time is when she is healthy and willing to bear children.  A pregnant female is not interested in any more sex, nor should she be having sex, she is already pregnant.  Do you understand?</p>
<p>Once a female has given birth, she needs to breast feed her little one for some 2 years and stick close to her baby.  At this time there is no desire for children.  And if there is no desire for children, no sex is desired.</p>
<p>Now the civilization and other means of organization have come up with marriage.  A man for every child to ensure that children are better taken cared of.  A man and his whole family plus the woman and her family is a pretty good idea.  Since a woman may only be interested in sex every 2 to 3 years it makes no sense for a man to with hold his sexuality in those 2 to 3 years where a woman is not sexually available, nor should it make sense to rush a woman and have additional children when she is not healthy nor ready yet.  So it was and still is natural for men to have multiple wives.  Everyone was happy with this arrangement.  The man&#8217;s family had more offspring through their men.  And the women could pick the best men in their village to fertilize them.  Polygamy was the norm and everyone was happy.</p>
<p>Then an imperialist civilization arose and through their primitive monetary system and contraceptive technology had the dumb idea to impose government business partnerships called marriage and made it exclusive and unnatural.  They called this invention monogamy.  An artificial construct founded on contraceptive herbs and technology.  They made it law that men and women can marry only one at a time.  If they wanted a new partner, they needed to divorce their old partner.  In the old days, you just added a new wife and everyone was happy.  Common divorces made people unhappy in the empire and eventually the concept of marriage became moot and no one wanted to have anything with that government partnership called marriage.</p>
<p>Fast forward 2000 years later today in my country.  Monogamy is made possible through contraceptive technology.  Women become sexual toys, sexual receptacles, available to give and receive sexual pleasure any time with minimum possibilities of pregnancy.  In government marriage, men are given the unnatural burden to have sex with only one woman because with contraceptive technology, that woman, his wife can supposedly fill all his sexual entertainment wants.</p>
<p>But this is unnatural.  Millions of years of evolution cannot be enforced by man made laws policing sexual behavior.  What happens today is that contraceptive technology has debased sexuality into a religion of entertainment, of pleasure, instead of sex being a means for reproduction.  This sexual repression has led to enormous industries serving the contraceptive side effects.  Prostitution is the all encompassing side effect.  Millions of women are now prostitutes for money, for food, for love, for free.  Millions of men have been stunted of their maturities by submitting to contraceptive sex.</p>
<p>Millions of women feel they are goddesses, they control a man through his contraceptive penis.  What a shame.  What a low down shame people have gone today.  Men submitting to women and thanking them for sex?  Give me a break.<br />
Top grade males are always in high demand.  Top grade males do not submit to contraceptive slavery.  A woman who partners with top grade males want their sperm, they demand it, top material to make their babies with.</p>
<p>And punishing males for their non-compliance to monogamy?  What an an unnatural man made abomination of laws we are  living in.  Most wives cannot keep their end of the bargain.  Most of them don&#8217;t enjoy being sexual receptacles and have sex during times they don&#8217;t want to.  Contraceptive technology is imperfect and unhealthy in the first place.  Those health conscious women will merely abstain from sex.  And where does that leave their husbands?  Back to nature.</p>
<p>The idea of a 2nd wife, 3rd wife, 4th wife doesn&#8217;t sound so bad after all now.  What woman wants to give birth year after year after year?</p>
<p>First wife is pregnant, sexual relations stop and continue only when her child is 2 to 4 years old.  A 2nd wife may be a good idea, and when that wife becomes pregnant, a 3rd wife may be a good idea, then a 4th wife, then it is back to wife number 1 then 2, then 3 then 4.  Everyone is happy.</p>
<p>All that is needed today is a change in the monetary system and everyone should be happy.  If each and every child came with a guaranteed living fund, people would choose the natural way.  I&#8217;m dreaming.  The international money masters, the bankers would never want this.  They want the money and the power all to themselves.</p>
<p>Government monogamous only marriage is just one of their tools to control a hapless citizenry.</p>
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		<title>Representative Akbar killed in congress bombing</title>
		<link>http://www.pronatal.org/2007/11/15/representative-akbar-killed-in-congress-bombing/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Representative of Basilan Wahab Akbar was killed when a bomb exploded in the South Wing of the Philippine Congress. Congressman Akbar and 3 of his wives ran in the recent elections and we had an interesting and entertaining article posted &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2007/11/15/representative-akbar-killed-in-congress-bombing/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Representative of Basilan Wahab Akbar was killed when a bomb exploded in the South Wing of the Philippine Congress.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.pronatal.org/2007/03/19/polygamous-akbar-family-husband-and-all-wives-to-dominate-elections-in-basilan/">Congressman Akbar and 3 of his wives ran in the recent elections and we had an interesting and entertaining article posted here in Pronatal.org regarding that event.</a></p>
<p>&#8220;We may not have time to coordinate in the boardroom but certainly we can coordinate things in the bedroom!  Vote Akbar, Akbar, Akbar, Akbar.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our condolences to the Akbars.</p>
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<p>Cheryllyn, Jum, Marieta and Nur-in, wives of Basilan Rep. Wahab Akbar, grieve over the casket bearing his remains in Zamboanga  City yesterday. <strong><em>Photo by CHARLIE SACEDA</em></strong></p>
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		<title>Hate Polygamy?  Hate Monogamy?  Condone fornication?</title>
		<link>http://www.pronatal.org/2007/10/13/hate-polygamy-hate-monogamy-condone-fornication/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people today are marriage ignorant. They instinctively hate all forms of polygamy. Yet at the same time they can&#8217;t even handle their own monogamy. Nor do they have a clue how their own marriage works. For example this woman &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2007/10/13/hate-polygamy-hate-monogamy-condone-fornication/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people today are marriage ignorant.  They instinctively hate all forms of polygamy.  Yet at the same time they can&#8217;t even handle their own monogamy.  Nor do they have a clue how their own marriage works.</p>
<p>For example this woman who swears against polygamy for her children.  And she won&#8217;t promote monogamous marriage either.  So what is she unconsciously promoting?  Fornication!</p>
<p>These are the useful idiots in 21st century society.  They have no idea what marriage is all about.  In fact they hate marriage, all forms of marriage.  They adore singlehood and the contraceptive fornication that comes with it.</p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t get me started on lifetime sexual abstinence.  No way are my children becoming extinct. Let the others who choose to be extinct be extinct.  Not us.</p>
<p>We are the pronatalists.  We are sexual beings.  We are the reproductive people.  We are the sexy, we are the beautiful, we are the marriageable, we will form families, we will live on.</p>
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		<title>Respect goes to principled non-contraceptive men</title>
		<link>http://www.pronatal.org/2007/09/28/respect-goes-to-principled-non-contraceptive-men/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Men want respect. Some men deserve more respect than others. Respectable men do not beg for sex. This is what you men should remember. Respectable men are non-contraceptive. Contraceptive males are called boys as they cater to the insecurities and &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2007/09/28/respect-goes-to-principled-non-contraceptive-men/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men want respect.  Some men deserve more respect than others.  Respectable men do not beg for sex.  This is what you men should remember.  Respectable men are non-contraceptive.  Contraceptive males are called boys as they cater to the insecurities and whims of females.</p>
<p>Know that contraception is a female ploy.  A man who agrees to contracepting is being played by the female.  Whether the female is his wife, his girlfriend, his fubu, or a plain old prostitute.  Contraception is a way females play russian roulette, it is a manner in which they choose the fathers of their children.  A woman subconsciously chooses the father of her offspring by conveniently &#8220;forgetting&#8221; to put on that condom, by &#8220;forgetting&#8221; to take<br />
her pills, by &#8220;forgetting&#8221; to put on her diaphragm.</p>
<p>A wife may have chosen to marry a man as her legal husband.  But her body language, her reality shows she has in fact NOT chosen him to father her child when she chooses to have fake sex with him by using condoms on him.</p>
<p>Men agreeing to engage in fake sex are poor desperate slobs asking to be whipped by their female masters.  Better to have fake sex than no sex at all they think.  Tsk tsk.</p>
<p>Nonsense!  There are many women out there who will accept your entire manhood, real sex and all.  Will get pregnant?  No problem.  Glad to choose you to father her children, now, today.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think the metaphor of adam and eve was that Eve engaged Adam in contraception.  The forbidden fruit is contraception.  Prostitutes will have fake sex for some money.  Sex with condoms is fake sex.  Sex with birth control pills is fake sex.  Sex for the sake of sex because it is her &#8220;safe&#8221; day is fake sex.</p>
<p>Woe is the man who gets no respect.  The next time your woman tells you to wear a condom&#8230; dress up and leave.  She has no respect for you.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m into an email conversation with my best friend regarding the topic of Adultery and Concubinage under Philippine laws.  Interesting discussion and I&#8217;m glad my friend took the time to research well.  My conclusion:</p>
<p><font color="#3333ff"><strong>It is obvious to me that these old Philippine Christian / Secular laws are not suited during these times of imminent extinction.  Following these Philippine Christian / Secular laws is a recipe for the extinction of my children.  My response therefore is to abandon these laws for the sake of my progeny.</strong></font></p>
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<blockquote><p>xxxx,</p>
<p>Very nice analysis.  Thank you very much for doing the research for me.<br />
I am interested in this topic for the benefit of my children, my grandchildren, all my descendants.</p>
<p>FYI for the others reading my response, this is the PARENTAL POV, while the singles are still in the SELF POV.</p>
<p>This all the more hardens my <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.pronatal.org//">www.pronatal.org</a> objectives.  Am I pronatal or am I just concerned about survival from the world trend of willing extinction?</p>
<p>These laws were made during times when Total Fertility Rates were a healthy 6 or 7 children per woman.  During those times, continuity of life, of family lines, self-perpetuity was more or less assured&#8230; confident that life goes on.  Unfortunately, in the 21st century contraceptive to extinction culture and widespread unhealthiness ignorance, most people do not as hell care if their genetic extinction is at a high probability. Metro Manila TFR today in 2007 is 1.7 children per woman.  By 2030, during the times of my children, the TFR will most probably even below 1.0 children per woman, just like Hongkong today.</p>
<p>This means it is my responsibility as the father to see that my children are raised healthy and wealthy, where true health and wealth is measured in progeny.  Combat the clear and present danger of extinction.  My instincts of survival go beyond myself.</p>
<p><font color="#3333ff"><strong>It is obvious to me that these old Philippine Christian / Secular laws are not suited during these times of imminent extinction.  Following these Philippine Christian / Secular laws is a recipe for the extinction of my children.  My response therefore is to abandon these laws for the sake of my progeny.<br />
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No marriage like Erap, Dolphy, Ramon Revilla, Gov Singson seem to be better models.  Islam deserves exploring.  If a son marries 4 women and each woman only gives birth to a feeble 2 children each, at least my son makes 8 children &#8220;legally&#8221;.  That is the mediocrity of the 21st century, it takes at least 4 women to make as many children as a mid-20th century woman, pathetic.</p>
<p>So for those concerned with sexual self-gratification, gluttony or moral POVs, count me out of this.  I&#8217;m into parental concerns, pronatalism, mere genetic survival.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>XXXX wrote:</p>
<div><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"><font color="#ff0000"><u>WARNING</u>:</font></span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"><font color="#ff0000"> </font><font color="#000000"><font color="#0000bf">the contents of this post may be offensive to some. It is written as a response from one best friend to another (why it is Public is <em>beyond</em> me). No material within was intended to be hurtful or insulting to any person, gender, belief, profession, religion or ideology. If you choose to read what follows, please bear that in mind.</font> </font></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">XXXX,   </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Here’s the long overdue reply. Sorry, I got <em>really</em> busy. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">To address your question I&#8217;d have to stick to basics. What I&#8217;ll be doing actually is just discuss a few general topics, which is really all that I understand (in the way that I understand them). A lawyer can better discuss the legal matters in terms of Jurisprudence &#038; will back up what he says with actual cases (which is the acceptable method). Since I&#8217;m not a lawyer, and don&#8217;t have access to SCRAA&#8230; naku. There are obvious ways by which something here can go wrong. Given this possibility of flaws… all I offer is a best effort-basis. Okay? </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">To begin, let&#8217;s tackle the definition of LAW: here are a few from varied sources:</span></div>
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<div><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">*A code of principles based on morality, conscience, or nature.</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">*A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority.</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">*The body of rules and principles governing the affairs of a community and enforced by a political authority; a legal system</span></strong></div>
<div><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">*set of rules or principles dealing with a specific area of a legal system: <em>tax law; criminal law</em></span></strong></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">With that out of the way, let&#8217;s tackle a subject matter of great importance to Law, which is &#8220;<strong>Good faith</strong>&#8220;. To make matters simple, here&#8217;s a definition from Thomson &#038; Gale&#8217;s Law Encyclopedia:</span></div>
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<div><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">Honesty; a sincere intention to deal fairly with others.</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial" /></div>
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<div><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">Good faith</span></em></strong><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial"> is an abstract and comprehensive term that encompasses a sincere belief or motive without any </span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial"><a target="_top" href="http://www.answers.com/topic/malice"><strong>malice</strong></a><strong> or the desire to </strong><a target="_top" href="http://www.answers.com/topic/defraud"><strong>defraud</strong></a><strong> others. It derives from the translation of the Latin term <em>bona fide,</em> and courts use the two terms interchangeably.</strong></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial" /></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">From the <strong>Civil Code</strong>…kindly note what it says. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #990000; font-family: Arial">Art. 19. Every person must, in the exercise of his rights and in the performance of his duties, act with justice, give everyone his due, and observe honesty and </span></strong><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">good faith</span></strong><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #990000; font-family: Arial">.</span></strong></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">What this law talks about is CIVILITY (kaya nga Civil Code). </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Good faith is used most often in Commercial Law. However, it is so encompassing that even Marriage Laws are affected. Ergo, it is involved in the answers to your question. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Earlier, I mentioned that I&#8217;ve no access to SCRAA. What’s that? It is a compilation of landmark cases. What&#8217;s a landmark case? These are court cases that already happened, from which decisions made by the particular court (Supreme Court rulings) sets the standard for which similar cases, would be judged. In short, the past legal history of our country determines the current &#038; future history of similar cases. So what happened in a case in 1952 would still apply to a case today, if that law is still in effect. Only a change of law would make a judge decide something else. A new law would generate a new history. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Philippine Law was derived from many sources (and not just American law). The primary sources were: Roman Law, some Mosaic Law (Moses), Spanish Law, British Law, etc. As far as marriage laws are concerned, a huge body comes from Roman Law. Romans practiced monogamy due to the influence of a pre-Christian belief in the deity Freya, goddess of love &#038; <u>fidelity</u>. Fidelity therefore, was a major factor in the creation of Roman laws concerning Marriage. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText">As an aside, many countries all over the world used Roman Law as a basis to formulate their country’s own laws. So monogamy is in fact, the <strong>norm</strong> and can be seen in more countries than states that allow polygamy.</div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText">Now differentiate <strong>polygamy</strong> from <strong>sexual promiscuity</strong>.</div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText">Even among those countries that allow polygamy – there are still laws which prevent infidelity &#038; adultery. It doesn’t mean that you’re allowed multiple wives that you’re allowed to screw around with persons who are not your spouses. Plus, you’ve to prove yourself financially &#038; morally capable of handling more than one spouse.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Now before proceeding – there is such a thing as “Common Law relationships”. This is primarily British in origin. If you’ve heard the term “Common Law husband/wife” they’re the source of this. In our local parlance, we call it “LIVE-IN”. There is no legal marriage contract, but – laws exist <u>anyways</u> to cover this situation. Why? Because people do it and in the course of people doing it – problems arise. It’s but natural that not every relationship is a fairy tale. So there are laws that cover this also. Why? So that when two parties argue – someone can adjudicate what is just. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">A bit about Commercial Law which is relevant: if I promise you that I will deliver 10,000 chickens to your doorstep by 8 AM tomorrow… and all we have is a verbal agreement&#8230; I HAVE TO DELIVER. If come 8 AM tomorrow and I don’t deliver, you can sue me. Many people would think that since there is no contract – I don’t have to. BUT, what a written contract does is to create material proof of our agreement or in short, it’s EVIDENCE. But, a Verbal Contract – <strong>is <em>still</em> binding.</strong> Why? Because of good faith. We agreed on it, you trusted my word that I’d deliver. I gave you my word that I’d deliver. If I don’t deliver… then I’m in trouble. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Now how much more do you think does Good Faith apply when I publicly make a vow to be faithful to my bride and sign a contract of marriage in the presence of witnesses? </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">The simplest expectation of you – is that you will be true to your word. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Having proof of a spouse’s infidelity or concubinage/adultery does not excuse you from doing the same. You married. That means you must fulfill <strong>your</strong> part of the contract. That, simply spelled out – means no sex outside of your marriage, regardless of what your partner does or doesn’t do. It is not your spouse’s behavior that makes you liable. It is your own actions which do.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">You have the right to seek sexual gratification with whomever you want who agrees to give it to you… BUT, <strong>you gave that freedom up</strong> when you got married. At that point in time – you agreed to be faithful &#038; loyal to your wife until she dies. More importantly, you’ve to remember that your wife has the right to demand fidelity from you. Clearly, she can send you to jail if she can prove in court that you were otherwise. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Sigh. I’m getting lost. Let me break your original questions down &#038; simplify the answers.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><strong>Does this sexual incapacity of one spouse condemn the sexual spouse from ANY SEX for the rest of his or her life?  </strong></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><span style="font-weight: normal">Yes. You’re doomed. Even if you (hypothetically) resorted to Legal Separation… let me quote the Law again: </span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><span style="color: #333399"><strong>TITLE II    LEGAL SEPARATION</strong></span></div>
<div style="text-align: justify"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000066; font-family: Arial">Art. 63. The decree of legal separation shall have the following effects: </span></div>
<div class="MsoBodyText2"><strong><span style="color: #000066">(1) The spouses shall be entitled to live separately from each other, <u>but the marriage bonds shall not be severed</u></span><u><span style="font-weight: normal" /></u></strong></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><span style="font-weight: normal">What do you think?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><strong>Freedom to not be sexually great.  How about Freedom to be sexual?  </strong></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><span style="font-weight: normal">Again you gave that up the day you got married. Marriage under any country’s Laws that were based on Roman law follows the same trend. Your <u>only</u> legal option is to pursue sexual bliss with your spouse. That’s it. Anything extra-marital, and you could get into trouble. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><span style="font-weight: normal">Of utmost importance:</span><strong> “Ignorance of the Law does not excuse you”. </strong><span style="font-weight: normal">This is so common its cliché. NOT knowing that your sexual liberties was in fact extinguished when you got married, does not dissolve your marriage. It is assumed that you knew and it is YOUR responsibility to know. It is likewise your responsibility to keep true to it. Afterall, no one put a gun against your head &#038; said<strong> </strong><em><strong>“marry me!!”.</strong> </em></span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText2"><strong>Does the freedom of one spouse to refuse sex have to impact on the freedom of the sexual spouse to seek sex elsewhere?<span style="color: black" /></strong></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Your</span></u><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"> part of the contract states that <u>you</u> will observe fidelity under <em>any   </em>and<em> all circumstances</em>. Only Death dissolves a marriage under our laws. You are not free to seek sexual pleasure with anyone else apart from your spouse while your spouse remains living. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Very common in most marriages regardless of religion and I quote<em> </em></span><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial">“For richer, for poorer… in sickness and in health… til death do us part.”</span></em></strong><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"> </span></em></strong><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"> </span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">What do you think this means?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">A relevant Law quoted again:</span></div>
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<h2><font size="2"><font color="#000066">TITLE III     RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE<span style="font-family: Georgia" /></font></font></h2>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #000066; font-family: Arial">Art. 68. The husband and wife are obliged to live together, observe mutual love, respect and <u>fidelity</u>, and render mutual help and support.   </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial" /></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Just in case you think I’m inventing the fidelity part… there you go. Now what the heck does that word mean anyways? </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">ENCARTA says of Fidelity:</span></div>
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<li style="color: #333399" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><span class="resultbodyblack1"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #333399; font-family: 'MSRef SS EOT'"><strong>sexual faithfulness: </strong></span></span><span class="resultbody1"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #333399; font-family: 'MSRef SS EOT'">faithfulness to a sexual partner, especially a husband or wife</span></span><span class="resultbody1"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #333399; font-family: Arial" /></span></font></li>
<li style="color: black" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><span class="resultbodyblack1"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #333399; font-family: 'MSRef SS EOT'"><strong>factual accuracy: </strong></span></span><span class="resultbody1"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #333399; font-family: 'MSRef SS EOT'">accuracy in reporting facts or details</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial" /></font></li>
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<strong>Does the penalty of adultery etc still apply to the sexual spouse if he or she is seeking mere human gratification from others?</strong> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">First, labeling it “human gratification” or whatever you like does not change the all-important label here… that is Concubinage/Adultery. The basic idea here is that you AGREED to be monogamous in a society &#038; country that enforces monogamy. Your partner expects you to be monogamous. Moving elsewhere won’t solve the problem. Roman Law is very popular globally… and wait til you really understand Sharia Law. More on that later.  </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">The inability of one’s spouse to sexually satisfy the cravings of the other does not excuse the “unhappy” individual from seeking sexual gratification from another individual. It simply violates the terms of agreement. Period.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">Of course polygamy lawfully and morally fixes this.</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial" /></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Nope. Polygamy doesn’t. What happens if 4 wives don’t satisfy you either? What happens if you just happen to marry four women who don’t like sex at all? Or what happens if they gang-together and agree that they’ll each refuse to have sex with you (because let’s say your relationship with each of them sucks)? Then what? </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Were you aware that women living together tend to have their periods together also? What then?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">In Islamic Law, sexual intercourse outside of marriage is punishable (depending on the crime – you could be stoned to death, literally)… be it premarital sex, or adultery.  </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Here are highlights of two cases that became an International sensation:</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #333399; font-family: Arial">2002:Bauchi: A woman, Adama Unusua, 19, was sentenced to 100 lashes by a Bauchi court, for engaging in sexual intercourse with her fiancé. She was pregnant at the time of the trial…</span></strong></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">No pre-marital sex allowed. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #333399; font-family: Arial">2002-MAR: Nigeria: Safiya Hussaini, 33, was convicted of adultery. She was sentenced to be buried up to her neck in sand and to be stoned to death. However, her sentence was deferred until her 13-month-old daughter has finished nursing…</span></strong></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">Guess what? No to adultery.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">NOW WAIT A MINUTE… I’ve some doubts about your understanding of Polygamy. It is simply defined as <strong>“</strong></span><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #333333; font-family: Arial">the practice or condition of having more than one spouse”.</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: #333333; font-family: Arial"> Notice that it said “spouse” and not necessarily “wife”. See the problem here?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial" /></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Exactly which kind of Polygamy do you believe in anyways? <strong>Polygyny</strong>? <strong>Polyandry</strong>? See? There are two kinds. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">Clearly you would prove to be absolutely biased if you said Polygyny only. Because then only men would be allowed to have multiple wives. If you said Polyandry, then how does that help you since you’d be allowed only one wife and she in turn would have multiple husbands?</div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">If you said yes to both – then allow me to quote something again:</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">“Inconceivable!!!”</span></em><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">  </font></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Viccini, a character from the book “<u>Princess Bride</u>”.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">I do not know of any society in existence today that allows both polygyny and polyandry to exist at the same time. Maybe it does. I really don’t know.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">If you want to find out more about Polygamy, Polyandry and Polygyny – visit this website: <u><a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/">http://www.religioustolerance.org</a></u>. It’s a decent place to get information, and the usual mud slinging is absent. <u> </u></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial">But what does the secular / Christian Philippine law have to say about this issue?</span></strong><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial" /></strong></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Here, your bias is very obvious (no worries, you’re entitled to it anyways). Were you aware that the Philippine Legislature made an effort to separate State from Religion? They teach this in high school. Can you name a Cardinal who was also President? Now I know that’s not what you meant, but hey – its my turn to ask a few questions. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">As far as I know, in the democratic states  &#8211; the same effort was made. Now it’s a different matter if the efforts were in vain or not. Attempt does not guarantee success. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">Nonetheless, in the process of making Laws – which are based on the morals, customs, traditions of the people of that country… everyone refers to History, the existing laws of other countries, and even Religions. A study is made about what laws were made, how they worked, if they worked, and how to make things better. Give Congress a little more credit. They don’t exactly put laws on a dartboard and shoot blindfolded. Granted that history is laden with morons, and that there are many in politics… let that not blind you to the fact that there are people who try their very best. Don’t tell me that every single individual from the first Philippine Republic to modern times was/is a moron. Even those armed with the best of intentions and give their best &#8211; sometimes fall short of the mark. That, is life!</div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">More importantly, you’ve to take a good look at the lawmakers. Are they predominantly Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? Taoist? Atheist? We’re talking about people here. People make laws. Only Mosaic Law came from non-human hands. All the flaws, biases, beliefs, ideology, idealism, religion, etc – go into Law. Then there’s money. Talk about money in Politics and the crap hits the ceiling.</div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">As proof to you that Christian Doctrine is different from Philippine Law, I’ll cite something that is of utmost importance to Christian Marriages:</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">Matthew 19:6</span></strong></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/06608a.htm">God</a> hath joined together, let no <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/09580c.htm">man</a> put asunder.</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><br />
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: gray; font-family: Arial">Itaque iam non sunt duo sed una caro quod ergo Deus coniunxit homo non separet</span></div>
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<h1><span style="color: blue"><font size="2">Matthew 19:9</font></span></h1>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial">And I say to you, that whosoever shall <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/05054c.htm">put away</a> his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/09693a.htm">marry another</a>, committeth <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/01163a.htm">adultery</a>: and he that shall <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/09693a.htm">marry</a> her that is <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/05054c.htm">put away</a>, committeth <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/01163a.htm">adultery</a>.</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><br />
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: gray; font-family: Arial">Dico autem vobis quia quicumque dimiserit uxorem suam nisi ob fornicationem et aliam duxerit moechatur et qui dimissam duxerit moechatur</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">(<span class="stiki">Except it be, etc&#8230; In the case of fornication, that is, of <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/01163a.htm">adultery</a>, the wife may be put away: but even then the husband cannot <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/bible/cathen/09693a.htm">marry another</a> as long as the wife is living)</span></span></strong></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3"><span class="stiki">The scriptures above comes from the Douay English translation, one of the very first english translations of the Bible made for the English (</span>Old Testament First Published 1609 by the English College at Douay, New Testament First Published 1582 by the English College at Rheims).</div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">Now a bit of explanation. In Philippine Law, we don’t have divorce. But we have Annulment. By Law, if a marriage is annulled – think of it in terms of  “it never happened to begin within”. There is a list of reasons for which this happens. Fraud, force, psychological incompatibility, etc – but the most important &#8211; incapacity to marry. Persons whose marriages are annulled can marry again.In Christianity, even if the Law says that the marriage is annulled – it is NOT annulled or negated in the eyes of God, who joined the couple together and made them “one flesh”. You CANNOT marry again.</div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">How then can you reconcile the words you’d used “<strong><span style="color: black">secular/Christian Philippine law</span></strong><span style="color: black">” when there is clearly a radical difference of opinion here. I’ve not even begun to talk about the Death Penalty yet, right? Need I do so?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3"><span style="color: black">So if I may request, before you “LABEL” things – kindly make sure that your label is correct to begin with. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I said earlier <em>“in the process of making Laws – which are based on the morals, customs, traditions of the people of that country”… </em>ergo, if a population is primarily Muslim – then it follows that laws would be made which were apt for a Muslim society. However, since we live in the Philippines – which was predominantly Catholic… it makes sense that the population’s public morals &#038; traditions would have impacted on Laws made. So blame history too.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">There are things in life that are ubiquitous (ever present). Politics &#038; Religion. No matter where you go, these will always influence the Laws of that country. Our Marriage Laws are no better or worse. They’re just “ours”. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Be very familiar with the phrase <em>“The Law of the Land Prevails”. </em>You may have a very different opinion about what is right and wrong, but never forget that <strong>whether you agree with the Law or not – it <u>applies</u> to you nonetheless. </strong></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">We can talk more about sex, politics, history or whatever you like. But… I’d like to point out that I personally don’t know any woman who wouldn’t give sex to her husband IF their relationship was doing great<strong>. </strong>So, I go back to what I keep saying – <strong><em>relationships matter most. </em></strong></span></div>
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<div class="MsoBodyText3">My finale?</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">It is easier to work on <em>relationships   </em>than it is to change society and laws. </span></strong></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">regards,</span></div>
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<div><font color="#0000bf">XXXX, </font></div>
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<div><font color="#0000bf">No problem. Ikaw pa!</font></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"><font color="#0000bf">Your question involves just one topic, but the answer is actually quite long. The reason is that you&#8217;d still asked a very broad question and that there are many factors involved. I cannot possibly cover them all (not that I would know all the answers anyways). </font></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"><font color="#0000bf"><font color="#0000bf">Even a professor, like tito Tony Abad (Rika Bilan&#8217;s dad, Dean of Adamson&#8217;s University College of Law) will take a few weeks to explain all the things involved. So my answer will definitely be pathetic in comparison. I recommend tho that you speak to your brother-in-law who&#8217;s a lawyer and ask him the same question(s). No doubt, his answers will be more than satisfactory. </font></font></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"><font color="#0000bf"><font color="#0000bf">Now, I&#8217;m going to cut my reply short &#8211; not because I don&#8217;t have a response to your question, but rather&#8230; I&#8217;ve a few deadlines to meet today. I&#8217;ll attend to it first then I&#8217;ll respond later in the day. Actually, I&#8217;ve already started. I&#8217;m already at 2 pages long and nowhere near getting it right. Just check your email again later. </font></font></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial"><font color="#0000bf"><font color="#0000bf">If anyone else is reading this topic, and you&#8217;re not interested&#8230; kindly ignore my next post. </font></font></span></div>
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<div><font color="#0000bf"><font color="#0000bf">regards to all,</font></font></div>
<div /><font color="#0000bf"><font color="#0000bf">XXXX</font></font></p></blockquote>
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		<title>See how the US Government Persecuted Mormon Polygamy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From PBS documentary &#8220;The Mormons&#8221;: &#8220;Plural marriage is declared a felony by the government. Under enormous pressure, Prophet Wilford Woodruff announces a revelation ending the practice.&#8221; Full documentary can be viewed at http://www.pbs.org/mormons/ A ten minute clip can be viewed &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2007/07/11/see-how-the-us-government-persecuted-mormon-polygamy/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From PBS documentary &#8220;The Mormons&#8221;: &#8220;Plural marriage is declared a felony by the government. Under enormous pressure, Prophet Wilford Woodruff announces a revelation ending the practice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Full documentary can be viewed at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/">http://www.pbs.org/mormons/</a></p>
<p>A ten minute clip can be viewed on YouTube at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH4Jj0YLt0A">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH4Jj0YLt0A</a></p>
<p>As usual, big government versus the people, versus freedom.  The idiots would rather keep their prostitutes and fornication than form families.</p>
<p>Ho hum.  Amerikan  Communists.</p>
<p>Here is a short nice video of a pro-polygamy youth rally where a teenage woman from a polygamous family defends their harmonious family system. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm57gOa6wYA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm57gOa6wYA</a></p>
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		<title>Indonesians embrace polygamy&#8230; Progress!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The UK Telegraph reports that polygamy is on the rise in Indonesia after the 1998 fall of the Suharto government.  Unfortunately, the telegraph writer uses anti-family, anti-polygam, anti-religion rhetoric as he refers to polygamists as radicals.  Booo hooo.  Polygamy works.  &#8230; <a href="http://www.pronatal.org/2007/07/11/indonesians-embrace-polygamy-progress/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UK Telegraph reports that polygamy is on the rise in Indonesia after the 1998 fall of the Suharto government.  Unfortunately, the telegraph writer uses anti-family, anti-polygam, anti-religion rhetoric as he refers to polygamists as radicals.  Booo hooo.  Polygamy works.  Polygamy is popular. And polygamy is the natural arrangement suited for many people.  None of this male vs female nonsense.<br />
The original story can be found at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/05/18/wpoly18.xml&#038;sSheet=/news/2006/05/18/ixnews.html">the Telegraph.</a></p>
<p>I have copied and pasted the story here for reference.</p>
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<blockquote><p><strong>Indonesians embrace polygamy as taboo is broken</strong></p>
<p>By Sebastien Berger in Yogyakarta<br />
Last Updated: 1:33am BST 18/05/2006</p>
<p>She has not seen her husband for two months, because he lives hundreds of miles away with his first wife, but Sitoresmi Trabuningrat laughed happily as she held his photograph yesterday.</p>
<p>A princess of the royal house of Yogyakarta, formerly an actress and now a businesswoman, she epitomises a new openness about polygamy in Indonesia.</p>
<p>Sitoresmi Trabuningrat hasn&#8217;t seen her husband in months</p>
<p>Where once it was a taboo among the elite, more and more polygamous families are revealing themselves and the topic has become a major talking point with the release of a film, Sharing A Husband.</p>
<p>Activists say that it marginalises women and is a symptom of growing radical Islamic influence in the country.</p>
<p>But Sitoresmi, 56, said her musician husband&#8217;s other life in Jakarta, far from her home in the Javanese city of Yogyakarta, was &#8220;not a problem&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;If I just call or send a text message everything is OK,&#8221; she said. &#8220;For me, as long as there is a connection, it&#8217;s fine. I love my husband.&#8221;<br />
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<p>It is her fourth marriage, only one of which was monogamous, and she far prefers being one of a group of wives.</p>
<p>&#8220;I feel like I need the teamwork,&#8221; she said. &#8220;I have more freedom and independence. When I concentrated on my career I was helped by my husband&#8217;s other wives with my obligations in the family.</p>
<p>&#8220;If polygamy is conducted properly there&#8217;s a pride in doing it, that we can share with other women. Jealousy is very human but the only problem is how to manage it.&#8221;</p>
<p>A devout Muslim, she said that her religious teaching &#8220;really educates me to accept whatever happens in my life&#8221;.</p>
<p>Others are less enthusiastic. Nia Dinata, the director of Sharing A Husband, a dispassionate look at three multiple marriage families in varying circumstances, experienced the effects of polygamy in her own family.</p>
<p>&#8220;The impact is not very positive towards the women but it may bring some positive things on the man&#8217;s side,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>According to Siti Musdah Mulia, Professor of Islamic Political Thought at Syarif Hidayatullah Islamic University in the capital, multiple marriages are increasing.</p>
<p>Indonesia has long been renowned for the tolerance and moderation of its Islam but she said that since the 1998 fall of the dictator Suharto radicalism has been on the rise.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are now free to campaign for their ideology. The radical groups tend to promote polygamy to their followers and it&#8217;s very clear that these groups are getting increasing support,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>Scores of local administrations have adopted elements of sharia law and an anti-pornography bill that would criminalise public kissing and the display of certain body parts is currently before parliament.</p>
<p>About 1,000 applications were made to Islamic courts for polygamous marriage licences last year, with 80 per cent of them granted.</p>
<p>Puspo Wardoyo, a keen advocate of the practice, says hardly anyone bothers going through official channels.</p>
<p>Mr Wardoyo, 50, a multimillionaire from his chain of chicken restaurants, has four wives and 11 children &#8220;so far&#8221;.</p>
<p>He married his last three wives in quick succession when they were each 22. He is launching a magazine called Poligami, next month.</p>
<p>&#8220;We want to change the mindset that polygamy is the needs of men only,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It&#8217;s also for the needs of women. If every man only marries one woman, his wealth is not distributed to other women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having four wives made marriage &#8220;four times the fun and four times easier&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
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