03.30.06
Myopic view of Polygamy on Townhall.com
My well preserved comments on www.townhall.com has been indexed in google.com when you search for “polygamy + contraception”. Great!
Jennifer Roback Morse’s article: Polygamy: Red Herring or Real Threat? Produced my comment which started a good discussion… I posted as GoodSamaritan55.
Myopic view of Polygamy
by goodsamaritan55, Jan 23 2006 06:24 AM
This article has a myopic view of Polygamy and the true nature of humans.In better times, legal monogamy + polygamy provided peace and prosperity. There are more naturally polygamous women than men.
Your POV - you see the discussion of monogamy as a personal choice. Sure - it is a good choice for many… but not for everybody.
My beef is that monogamy is not for everyone, nor should it be imposed on everyone. Polygamy is also a good choice for many… and people should not be denied the choice of polygamy…
…more women are suited for polygamy than men… obviously.
Yes, there are many more women who are suited and choose to be 2nd, 3rd and 4th wives because it benefits them. It is a great choice for them.
Do not be misled by those who disparage polygamy as having no rules.
Muslims, Mormons, Africans and even the Bible (book of leviticus) hands out laws for cultures that allow for Polygamy.
They are very clear and their cultures more harmoneous than this farcical forced monogamy junk we are living in.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. See how rampant separation, prostitution, adultery, fatherlessness, abortion and overall promiscuity is as a percentage of so called “christian - monogamous” people compared to “polygamy allowed” people.
The reason “polygamy allowed” families are more solid is because their rules are more attuned with the true family forming nature of human beings.
You are writing from the “ideal monogamous christian” Point-of-View.
But that is all there is… an ideal… a pipe dream… a delusion.
I present to you the OPPRESSED WOMEN of the “ideal monogamous culture”: mistresses, girlfriends, f*ck buddies, one night stands, swappers, swingers, friends with benefits, prostitutes, etc.
In practice… all christians have left today is Sodom and Gommorha…fatherless children, single mothers, rapid depopulation, rampant divorce culture aka rampant destruction of families aka SERIAL monogamy, destruction of marriage, feminism, homosexuality… all because of their forced monogamous ideals.
And mind you, I am merely stating an observed fact.
It is the acceptance of Polygamy in the former christian states that will restore the balance of human nature and make people return to their harmoneous pro-family natures.
I have always maintained the theory and so far it holds true:
Harmoneous monogamy and polygamy -> Forced Monogamy -> Demand for Contraception -> Contraceptive Culture -> Abortion Culture -> Divorce Culture -> Euthanasia Culture -> Promiscuity -> Homosexuality -> Sodom and Gommorha -> destruction of families -> then back again.
You have your “ideals and goals”… and in your mind monogamy for the sake of monogamy seems to be it.
My “ideals and goals” are harmony and family. This is reality… not TV, not american mass media polygamyphobia and islamophobia… false data, lies upon lies… Evidence based, not figments of the imagination.
You of course want monogamy… only… solely… for everyone… this is the delusion.
… The tyranny of this good intention has resulted in a culture of contraception, abortion, prostitution, promiscuity, divorce, non-marriage, family disintigration and homosexuality… where more women are more miserable.
I suggest monogamy + polygamy… both existing side by side… legally allowed. … Will bring about a culture of family, harmony, and life. See:
http://www.pro-polygamy.com/ Polygamy = Marriage As Proven by History and Many Current Cultures Freely-consenting, adult, non-abusive, marriage-committed POLYGAMY is the next civil rights battle.
Where a good discussion is followed up by CMOORE:
I’m going to condense some responses here.
Gold Standard of Parenting:
As you suggested I Googled “Gold Standard Parenting.” I only found four links, one of which is to the “Institute of Marriage and Public Policy.” I also Googled “Two-Parent Homes” and “Raising Children in Massachusetts”. All relevant articles that I could find only state — as I previously pointed out — that two parent homes, with a mother and father, are apparently better for raising children than single or same-sex parents.
I found no references to polygamy or any other sort of poly arrangements whatsoever. Admittedly, I did not delve very far. It is not my responsibility to do the research to support your arguments. It’s yours.
So, if you are aware of any specific studies that actually compare children of poly relationships with mono relationships, then, by all means, post specific links to them. Otherwise, you are batting zero as your “cites” fail, so far, to cite anything specific and do not address poly in determining this “Gold Standard of Parenting”.
Hypocrisy:
You defend using the force of government to impose your ideal of marriage upon everyone else, restricting them to your traditionalistic definition of marriage as one man and one woman. For that — using, defending, or advocating using the force of government to impose a moral standard — I have criticized you. In response, you accused me of hypocrisy, claiming that I seek to do the same thing by changing law to recognize/allow poly unions. The problem there, however, is that I am not seeking the same thing at all.
You ardently oppose allowing poly relationships. You are defending the use of government force to impose your standard, your ideal, upon everyone else. You are defending a limitation on the freedom of consenting individuals to choose their own family structures.
On the other hand, I support eliminating those restrictions and returning (a measure of) freedom to the individuals. I support allowing them to decide for themselves, without any interference from you or anyone else, how their unions should be structured.
Freedom:
I am neither advocating poly nor disparaging monogamy. My own research has led me to conclude that neither is inherently better or worse than the other. Rather, I advocate the freedom of individuals to choose for themselves, without undue interference from others, and I disparage the notion that that freedom should be denied.
This debate has nothing to do with subjugating women, competition for attention, abuse, incest, etcetera. Those are side issues that are all as prominent in monogamous relationships as in any other, particularly in the current era of cyclic serial monogamy and divorce; can easily be addressed, as pointed out in the Canadian study supporting the legalization of polygamy, under other existing laws; and serve no purpose except to distract from the real debate.
The real debate is about Freedom. More specifically, it is about the freedom of consenting adults to decide, according to their own consciences, with whom and how they will share themselves and their lives.
In short, I reject the notion that you have any natural authority, right, or entitlement to limit mine and others’ freedom, as free consenting adults, to peaceably live our lives as we see fit. You, on the other hand, embrace the notion that, somehow, you have a say in the peaceable conduct of the lives of others.
No one is asking you to agree with, approve of, condone, or engage in any poly relationship(s). All that we expect is for you (and others) to quit interfering with others’ freedoms, to quit meddling in others’ lives where you have no business.
Great response from an obviously great thinker.
